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		<title>By: red rabbit</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/11/19/troubled-homeowners-cant-be-bothered-with-helping-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7246</link>
		<dc:creator>red rabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to consider:

Doctors can be sued for malpractice and lawyers for malfeasance, why can&#039;t the real estate agents who whoever was encouraging and approving these people for these toxic ARM/NINJA mortgages also be sued for malfeasance?  Of course the consumer has to do their homework, but when someone is given terrible advice or information is withheld by the alleged professional in the relationship, the fault lies with the professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to consider:</p>
<p>Doctors can be sued for malpractice and lawyers for malfeasance, why can&#8217;t the real estate agents who whoever was encouraging and approving these people for these toxic ARM/NINJA mortgages also be sued for malfeasance?  Of course the consumer has to do their homework, but when someone is given terrible advice or information is withheld by the alleged professional in the relationship, the fault lies with the professional.</p>
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		<title>By: FedUp!</title>
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		<dc:creator>FedUp!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so easy to sit there and judge when you are not the one wearing the shoes.  We had two years savings in the bank when the economy started to crash -- an no, it wasn&#039;t when the news started reporting it.  Our investments were in commercial real estate.  We put 35% down on our home.  The payments and our spending was set up on my husband&#039;s income.  He was in commercial real estate.  For the past two years commercial real estate has taken a beating with very little income produced.  He is self employed and does not qualify for unemployment though we paid our taxes every year!  My income alone will not cover the mortgage and other expenses.  We let both our cars go back in order to keep the home. Unfortunately we are now house poor.  No money for emergencies such as going to the dentist, doctors, buying a pair of shoes.  You need to get off your royal fanny and take a reality pill before you run off at the mouth how stupid homeowners did this and that...  We were doing fine until the BANKS pulled out of our real estate deals. Our clients did not pull out.  The BANKS did. Now, they want us to pay up!  So don&#039;t lump all struggling homeowners into the same category.  Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so easy to sit there and judge when you are not the one wearing the shoes.  We had two years savings in the bank when the economy started to crash &#8212; an no, it wasn&#8217;t when the news started reporting it.  Our investments were in commercial real estate.  We put 35% down on our home.  The payments and our spending was set up on my husband&#8217;s income.  He was in commercial real estate.  For the past two years commercial real estate has taken a beating with very little income produced.  He is self employed and does not qualify for unemployment though we paid our taxes every year!  My income alone will not cover the mortgage and other expenses.  We let both our cars go back in order to keep the home. Unfortunately we are now house poor.  No money for emergencies such as going to the dentist, doctors, buying a pair of shoes.  You need to get off your royal fanny and take a reality pill before you run off at the mouth how stupid homeowners did this and that&#8230;  We were doing fine until the BANKS pulled out of our real estate deals. Our clients did not pull out.  The BANKS did. Now, they want us to pay up!  So don&#8217;t lump all struggling homeowners into the same category.  Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefty,

I think the hard reality is that if someone can&#039;t pay their mortgage today, then modifying the loan is just prolonging the inevitable (i.e. foreclosure). And in the mean time the bank is carrying high risk/low cahflow debt. Not a good thing.

The banks aren&#039;t as dumb as Obama et. al. have panted them. They see the economy - especially the jobs market, particularly for high paying jobs - just isn&#039;t going to rebound in the foreseeable future no matter how glowing Obama speaks of &quot;creating or saving jobs&quot; (still looking for the proof he saved even 1 non-gov or gov contractor job!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty,</p>
<p>I think the hard reality is that if someone can&#8217;t pay their mortgage today, then modifying the loan is just prolonging the inevitable (i.e. foreclosure). And in the mean time the bank is carrying high risk/low cahflow debt. Not a good thing.</p>
<p>The banks aren&#8217;t as dumb as Obama et. al. have panted them. They see the economy &#8211; especially the jobs market, particularly for high paying jobs &#8211; just isn&#8217;t going to rebound in the foreseeable future no matter how glowing Obama speaks of &#8220;creating or saving jobs&#8221; (still looking for the proof he saved even 1 non-gov or gov contractor job!).</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty33</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Master Po,

The answer is simple. 
 
In the area I live in there are so many foreclosure auctions going on and the prices that mortgage companies are receiving are so ridiculously low that you would think it&#039;s more cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I guess it&#039;s easier for them to just take a huge loss and be done than try to modify and maybe get double/triple the return.

&gt;Someone borrowed money on certain terms.
They can’t live up to those terms.
The bank takes back the collateral.
Period. &lt;

In normal times your example makes sense but right now with how many homes are out there and the amount of collateral that is in play you would think it would make sense for these companies, where it makes sense, to try for a higher rate of return on their investment instead of just seemingly just pushing the dump button all of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Master Po,</p>
<p>The answer is simple. </p>
<p>In the area I live in there are so many foreclosure auctions going on and the prices that mortgage companies are receiving are so ridiculously low that you would think it&#8217;s more cutting off your nose to spite your face.<br />
I guess it&#8217;s easier for them to just take a huge loss and be done than try to modify and maybe get double/triple the return.</p>
<p>&gt;Someone borrowed money on certain terms.<br />
They can’t live up to those terms.<br />
The bank takes back the collateral.<br />
Period. &lt;</p>
<p>In normal times your example makes sense but right now with how many homes are out there and the amount of collateral that is in play you would think it would make sense for these companies, where it makes sense, to try for a higher rate of return on their investment instead of just seemingly just pushing the dump button all of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goes back to the main issue: *Why* should a bank take the risk and financial loss to modify a loan?

Someone borrowed money on certain terms.
They can&#039;t live up to those terms.
The bank takes back the collateral.
Period.

No one would cry over someone loosing their car for the same reason. But doesn&#039;t a person need transportation to get to/from work? School? The doctor? The supermarket?

I&#039;d bet a week&#039;s pay that half if not more of these people are in their first house bought with in the last 5 years for zero-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goes back to the main issue: *Why* should a bank take the risk and financial loss to modify a loan?</p>
<p>Someone borrowed money on certain terms.<br />
They can&#8217;t live up to those terms.<br />
The bank takes back the collateral.<br />
Period.</p>
<p>No one would cry over someone loosing their car for the same reason. But doesn&#8217;t a person need transportation to get to/from work? School? The doctor? The supermarket?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet a week&#8217;s pay that half if not more of these people are in their first house bought with in the last 5 years for zero-down.</p>
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		<title>By: cjbr549</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjbr549</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the program was designed from the getgo just to make the politicians who passed it look like they were doing something, not to actually do anything.  I think combinations of several things are combining to keep the number of conversions low.  I suspect the paperwork burden is quite high, and I imagine that this was done intentionally to keep the expenditure on this program low.  The banks are not interested in modifying loans, so they are not resourcing the program adequately and finally the homeowners either don&#039;t have the fortitude to own a home or they are frustrated by the process and are just ready to set fire to the damned thing and leave.  I&#039;m not some fat guy that still lives in my moms’ basement thinking up conspiracy theories, but I think that this was all anticipated by the parties who crafted this bill.  Remember the power of the banking lobby, they didn&#039;t want to modify a bunch of loans, they wanted people to pay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the program was designed from the getgo just to make the politicians who passed it look like they were doing something, not to actually do anything.  I think combinations of several things are combining to keep the number of conversions low.  I suspect the paperwork burden is quite high, and I imagine that this was done intentionally to keep the expenditure on this program low.  The banks are not interested in modifying loans, so they are not resourcing the program adequately and finally the homeowners either don&#8217;t have the fortitude to own a home or they are frustrated by the process and are just ready to set fire to the damned thing and leave.  I&#8217;m not some fat guy that still lives in my moms’ basement thinking up conspiracy theories, but I think that this was all anticipated by the parties who crafted this bill.  Remember the power of the banking lobby, they didn&#8217;t want to modify a bunch of loans, they wanted people to pay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lefty33</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefty33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TML,

I read your blog regularly and you are usually right with most of what you post but on this one you are completely off base.

I am a Chase customer who has tried for a modification due to a job loss and extended unemployment and I will say that in my experience your Chase example is not reality.

The truth is pretty much what Duececlub wrote.  I have called more people at Chase than I can remember and have received at least 8-9 stories of what documents they wanted and how long it would take and how the process would go.

It is impossible to speak to the same person twice and each time you have to start over since they have always &quot;misplaced&quot; something.  When they don&#039;t have just one document they tell you that the rest don&#039;t count and you start over.  

The income verification part that Duececlub wrote about is spot on.  If I send then something today, guaranteed I will not get any response within 30 days and when I do get a response or when I finally am able to speak with someone with decision making abilities 30 days plus will have past and then you start by having to send the whole packet again.

Yes, I&#039;ve contacted Obama&#039;s website and yes I have tried the attorney route and Chase pretty much couldn&#039;t care less about either.

I&#039;m not going to debate the politics about whether this program should or shouldn&#039;t exist because it does and apparently it&#039;s not going anywhere.  

But at least with Chase there are no gift cards, no one is chasing me down, I am not lazy, and I sure as hell am not a stupid homeowner.  I believe now that Chase has paid back the TARP money they are more or less flipping the bird to the Feds by no longer actively participating in Making Home Affordable and by making the process hell for the homeowners who are trying to make this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TML,</p>
<p>I read your blog regularly and you are usually right with most of what you post but on this one you are completely off base.</p>
<p>I am a Chase customer who has tried for a modification due to a job loss and extended unemployment and I will say that in my experience your Chase example is not reality.</p>
<p>The truth is pretty much what Duececlub wrote.  I have called more people at Chase than I can remember and have received at least 8-9 stories of what documents they wanted and how long it would take and how the process would go.</p>
<p>It is impossible to speak to the same person twice and each time you have to start over since they have always &#8220;misplaced&#8221; something.  When they don&#8217;t have just one document they tell you that the rest don&#8217;t count and you start over.  </p>
<p>The income verification part that Duececlub wrote about is spot on.  If I send then something today, guaranteed I will not get any response within 30 days and when I do get a response or when I finally am able to speak with someone with decision making abilities 30 days plus will have past and then you start by having to send the whole packet again.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve contacted Obama&#8217;s website and yes I have tried the attorney route and Chase pretty much couldn&#8217;t care less about either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to debate the politics about whether this program should or shouldn&#8217;t exist because it does and apparently it&#8217;s not going anywhere.  </p>
<p>But at least with Chase there are no gift cards, no one is chasing me down, I am not lazy, and I sure as hell am not a stupid homeowner.  I believe now that Chase has paid back the TARP money they are more or less flipping the bird to the Feds by no longer actively participating in Making Home Affordable and by making the process hell for the homeowners who are trying to make this work.</p>
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