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	<title>Comments on: Hard Truth Finance Week in Review &#8211; Fading Summer Edition</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. Not the Jet Set</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/08/30/hard-truth-finance-week-in-review-fading-summer-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-5739</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Not the Jet Set</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Dee, but then once she charges these repair, then what?  Credit card debt that she can&#039;t pay off?  How is this a plan?  This is why your sister needs an emergency fund and a job in the worst way.

Overall, pretty weak arguments for getting a credit card in college.  Get it before they make you prove your income?  Oh, no!  Not that!  College kid (KID), with no job, no money, and living in the land of temptation.... yeah, get him a credit card.   

&lt;i&gt;BUT&lt;/i&gt; so long as you are responsible.  So long as you are educated.  If this, if that.  Yeah, yeah, yeah.... 

You don&#039;t need a credit score.  You don&#039;t need a credit card.  You do need to pay your bills on time.  You do need an income.  You do need to build up cash savings.  You can absolutely rent apartments with no credit score (you&#039;ll rate as a C, unlike trashed credit which will get you a D or F), you can buy a car (cash, used - the right way), you can get a mortgage (manual underwriting, not the monkey powered auto underwriting, Fannie).  Don&#039;t believe the myths, conform not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Dee, but then once she charges these repair, then what?  Credit card debt that she can&#8217;t pay off?  How is this a plan?  This is why your sister needs an emergency fund and a job in the worst way.</p>
<p>Overall, pretty weak arguments for getting a credit card in college.  Get it before they make you prove your income?  Oh, no!  Not that!  College kid (KID), with no job, no money, and living in the land of temptation&#8230;. yeah, get him a credit card.   </p>
<p><i>BUT</i> so long as you are responsible.  So long as you are educated.  If this, if that.  Yeah, yeah, yeah&#8230;. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need a credit score.  You don&#8217;t need a credit card.  You do need to pay your bills on time.  You do need an income.  You do need to build up cash savings.  You can absolutely rent apartments with no credit score (you&#8217;ll rate as a C, unlike trashed credit which will get you a D or F), you can buy a car (cash, used &#8211; the right way), you can get a mortgage (manual underwriting, not the monkey powered auto underwriting, Fannie).  Don&#8217;t believe the myths, conform not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my little sister if she has a credit card (she&#039;s 20) and she said no. She just got her first car and is away at college. If she was needed to do a major car repair, etc. she doesn&#039;t have the cash to pay for it and neither do my parents.

I don&#039;t want her to get in trouble with a CC, but the potential for emergencies is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my little sister if she has a credit card (she&#8217;s 20) and she said no. She just got her first car and is away at college. If she was needed to do a major car repair, etc. she doesn&#8217;t have the cash to pay for it and neither do my parents.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want her to get in trouble with a CC, but the potential for emergencies is great.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Patrick in so much as that credit scores are used (rightly or not) as far more than just a gauge of worthiness to loan money to. More and more employers are using credit scores to judge a job candidate for example. I don&#039;t like it myself but that&#039;s the reality we have to deal with.

But I also 1,000% agree that in my experience 99.99999999% of young people (under the age of 30) can&#039;t handle credit cards. Not that too many over 30 can handle them either. :-(

I don&#039;t have an answer other than to say the *prudent* use of credit can be a good thing even if it is for a depreciating item and/or costs you more over the long haul (with interest) than paying cash now. To me it&#039;s also an issue of &quot;cash flow&quot;. 

*IF* you can discipline yourself to pay off your debt out of current income rather than cash reserves it *might* be better, depending on many variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Patrick in so much as that credit scores are used (rightly or not) as far more than just a gauge of worthiness to loan money to. More and more employers are using credit scores to judge a job candidate for example. I don&#8217;t like it myself but that&#8217;s the reality we have to deal with.</p>
<p>But I also 1,000% agree that in my experience 99.99999999% of young people (under the age of 30) can&#8217;t handle credit cards. Not that too many over 30 can handle them either. <img src='http://toughmoneylove.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an answer other than to say the *prudent* use of credit can be a good thing even if it is for a depreciating item and/or costs you more over the long haul (with interest) than paying cash now. To me it&#8217;s also an issue of &#8220;cash flow&#8221;. </p>
<p>*IF* you can discipline yourself to pay off your debt out of current income rather than cash reserves it *might* be better, depending on many variables.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting debate on students getting credit cards. Getting my first credit card in college could have totally done me in, as I on more than 1 occasion let the balance get out of hand. However I was lucky enough to have a job waiting tables where I could make good money in a short amount of time so I was always able to pay it off in a month or two. 

I could advocate someone not worrying about building good credit if they are lucky enough to have a parent or close family member that would co-sign for larger purchases they make in the future. Unfortunately, not everyone is that lucky. I know an argument to that is that you shouldn&#039;t purchase anything that you can&#039;t afford to pay for in cash, but sometimes things (like medical emergencies) come up and you might be stuck like chuck if you have bad credit and not enough savings to cover it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting debate on students getting credit cards. Getting my first credit card in college could have totally done me in, as I on more than 1 occasion let the balance get out of hand. However I was lucky enough to have a job waiting tables where I could make good money in a short amount of time so I was always able to pay it off in a month or two. </p>
<p>I could advocate someone not worrying about building good credit if they are lucky enough to have a parent or close family member that would co-sign for larger purchases they make in the future. Unfortunately, not everyone is that lucky. I know an argument to that is that you shouldn&#8217;t purchase anything that you can&#8217;t afford to pay for in cash, but sometimes things (like medical emergencies) come up and you might be stuck like chuck if you have bad credit and not enough savings to cover it.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would argue that those students who are reading financial based blogs are slightly more likely to care and be responsible.

I got my cc early in life (after sophie year) and haven&#039;t hit credit card debt yet.

I would argue that a responsible person would be responsible with CC&#039;s, provided they are educated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue that those students who are reading financial based blogs are slightly more likely to care and be responsible.</p>
<p>I got my cc early in life (after sophie year) and haven&#8217;t hit credit card debt yet.</p>
<p>I would argue that a responsible person would be responsible with CC&#8217;s, provided they are educated.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. ToughMoneyLove, I&#039;m glad you had a great weekend getaway. The weather in OH was beautiful as well, and didn&#039;t crack 80 either, which is rare for this time of year. It&#039;s been a mild and pleasant summer. :) 

Thanks for mentioning my article. I know this is a topic we have differing opinions about, but we both agree that not everyone should have a credit card. Credit is a tool, and one that should be used with caution. A good analogy is &lt;a href=&quot;http://cashmoneylife.com/2007/10/22/credit-cards-and-guns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Credit Cards and Guns&lt;/a&gt; - both are useful tools that provide a service, and both can be abused with devastating results.

Is credit necessary to buy a car? No. Buying with cash is usually a much better option. But is credit a necessity in today&#039;s American society? Pretty much. It would be incredibly difficult to purchase a house without a strong credit history, and many vendors, landlords, and utility companies run a credit check before renting out a home, allowing someone to enter a cell phone contract, or get utilities without paying a hefty deposit.

I agree you shouldn&#039;t let FICO and its co-conspirators dictate how you run your financial life... but you also have to know when it pays to play along. And having a strong credit history can make some parts of life easier. And as long as you use credit cards responsibly, then there is nothing to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. ToughMoneyLove, I&#8217;m glad you had a great weekend getaway. The weather in OH was beautiful as well, and didn&#8217;t crack 80 either, which is rare for this time of year. It&#8217;s been a mild and pleasant summer. <img src='http://toughmoneylove.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning my article. I know this is a topic we have differing opinions about, but we both agree that not everyone should have a credit card. Credit is a tool, and one that should be used with caution. A good analogy is <a href="http://cashmoneylife.com/2007/10/22/credit-cards-and-guns/" rel="nofollow">Credit Cards and Guns</a> &#8211; both are useful tools that provide a service, and both can be abused with devastating results.</p>
<p>Is credit necessary to buy a car? No. Buying with cash is usually a much better option. But is credit a necessity in today&#8217;s American society? Pretty much. It would be incredibly difficult to purchase a house without a strong credit history, and many vendors, landlords, and utility companies run a credit check before renting out a home, allowing someone to enter a cell phone contract, or get utilities without paying a hefty deposit.</p>
<p>I agree you shouldn&#8217;t let FICO and its co-conspirators dictate how you run your financial life&#8230; but you also have to know when it pays to play along. And having a strong credit history can make some parts of life easier. And as long as you use credit cards responsibly, then there is nothing to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a rule of thumb, it&#039;s never a good idea to borrow money for depreciating assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a rule of thumb, it&#8217;s never a good idea to borrow money for depreciating assets.</p>
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