Look, we are a nation that always likes to think that we are leading, but are we? We have become a laughing-stock. NO JOKE!

Look at China… all smoke ‘n’ mirrors during the Olympics… people could hardly breathe. Get a grip on yourselves and give our Prez (and peace) a chance. God Bless!

Why do think the price of something is what it is? A business always wants to charge all it can for a product/service but the MARKET place prevents the price from going too high. I presume you’ve studied economics and know the concept of “utility” so I won’t do a 101 lesson on it.

Certain factors affect all businesses in an industry. As such sometimes they all have no choice but to raise prices. But the one that raises too much loose business. That’s just reality.

H-U-G-E taxes — We receive massive subsidies for energy. I wonder if we removed these subsidies then what kind of prices we’d be paying for power. And don’t forget… subsidy money comes from somewhere.

Have you ever left the country and done math? I understand that math can be kind of hard… but you can always use a calculator. SO ::shrugs::

Peace.
Rick Beagle.

Both of you claim it’s no biggie for Americans to pay H-U-G-E taxes in order to *supposedly* stop global warming while the rest of the world doesn’t have to pay taxes, radically change it’s life style, etce etc.

My deal is very simple (I made it that way so even the most devout liberal could understand it):

If you think it’s no big deal for the average American to pay at a *minimum* of $2,000 MORE a year in taxes then put your money where your mouth is NOW!

Both you send a check payable to ‘Internal Revenue Service’ as a mere tax payment just because of paying more taxes (no back taxes, estimated taxes, penalties, etc just an extra payment) then send me a copy of the cancelled checks. I will then send a check of my own money to chartity.

If you TRUE believe it’s no big deal for the average American to pay at least $2,000 in extra taxes then you should be willing to pay more to the IRS now.

My offer stands. I must receieve a clear copy (front and back) of the check by July 31 otherwise this deal is cancelled.

Send me an email and I will provide a friend’s PO box you can send the copy to.

But I’m willing to bet you won’t take this. Most liberals are great at telling others to pay more but won’t lift a finger to lead by example.

Here’s a question for MasterPO and lurker.

Where do you really stand? Are emissions a problem? Is climate change a problem? Do we need to try to fix it? Who is going to fix it?

I mean… how about this. Man the mob is killing a kid a day. This is a problem. Are we willing to pay 2k each/yr to get security to deal with it? Or maybe we should just take our kids out of the streets? I dunno. With a focus on the cost and no insight on what you think needs to be done… I guess I would have to agree with you?

Btw, I’m not sure how I’m a liberal. I’m trying to conserve the earth after all =)
Hrm. If I realized this would be this long I would have tried to organize it better. ::shrugs::

Name a better solution. It’s easy to criticize. Unless of course you really don’t see a point in trying to lower emissions.

MasterPo:
Your offer is confusing. That and it’s spoken like a true politician. The issue at hand is climate change. Do we deal with it or do we ignore it? How do we deal with it?
This is actually the BIGGEST piece of sh!t about this whole bill. Reading the treatment of it by some politicians.

And fine, I’ll recant my “just” 2k statement. It is a decent amount of money. Now will you make any comments about the long-term stability of climate? I’ve yet to hear anyone respond to that argument. I’ve TRIED repeatedly to respond to your points. It feels almost like I’m talking to trolls. Ohwellz.

So how about the long-term existence of the Arctic Ice Caps. It’s melting. Rather quickly. Even if you consider that acceptable… how in the world are you going to explain it to your grandkids who ask how in the world Santa lives in the N. Pole!?

And yes, that above isn’t a good argument. But it’s true. And it’s not based off of any models. Go visit. The North Pole is a melting.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-north-pole-is-melting

(I don’t know what sources you’d trust… so I just googled north pole melting and took the first result. I do recall reading Sci. American for my science projects in high school. I hope it’s not too technical.)

Let me end this by tossing a grenade or two,

What are you views on abortion? How about mothers drinking lotsa liquor and smoking when pregnant? How about dropping babies on their heads? (I’m sure we can agree on the last one at least) You are jeopardizing the livelihood of someone who currently has no voice.

I guess maybe our view points are slightly different? I guess I am younger… so I will hopefully be using this earth for a longer time into the future.

And yes, my last few arguments were set up just to invoke emotional responses. NO real substance. ::shrugs::