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		<title>By: kitty</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/03/30/inflation-and-consumer-debt-truth-and-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-3462</link>
		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to second MasterPo. We were poor refugees from the Soviet Union when Reagan came to power, and we sure benefited from Reagan.

I do remember Carter and the double digit inflation. About the only good thing about it was that it ended, and that some smart people (not me, I was a poor refugee then) managed to lock in 18% rate on government bonds for 30 years. 

Rick - it depends on which historians you read. Many economists believe Reagan benefited the economy tremendously. As to the mess we are in, pray tell me was it Reagan who repealed Glass-Steagall? Was it Reagan who decided to promote home ownership by stimulating borrowing? Was it Reagan who invented mortgage-backed securities, CDOs, or credit default swaps? Was it Reagan who decided to gave home loans to anybody with a pulse who is competent enough to be able to sign at the dotted line? Was it Reagan who exempted 5 major firms from leveraging limits?   

Incidentally, until 1999 most of the US debt was owned by Americans. It&#039;s only after 1999 long time after Reagan that Americans changed from mostly lenders to mostly borrowers.

Back on topic. I do agree that variable interest loans is not a hedge against inflation as the rates go up with inflation. I do believe that longer term fixed interest loans can be. One thing I think which is missing from the discussion is investment opportunities for the money you have on hand. Higher inflation leads to  higher interest rates including rates banks pay you on your CDs. Let&#039;s say you have 200K and 200K mortgage at tax deductible 4.5%. At this point banks are only paying 2-3% (on which you have to pay taxes) so you cannot get safe investment with the same return. But what if 2 years from now, you get a Carter-like inflation with a bank CD paying you 13%. If you paid off your mortgage, you now have no cash. If you still have a mortgage, you can put your money in a bank and earn a lot more money than you have to pay. 

Imagine locking 9% before Carter, then investing your money in some municipal bonds paying you 18% or more. You could just take some of this income and pay your mortgage with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to second MasterPo. We were poor refugees from the Soviet Union when Reagan came to power, and we sure benefited from Reagan.</p>
<p>I do remember Carter and the double digit inflation. About the only good thing about it was that it ended, and that some smart people (not me, I was a poor refugee then) managed to lock in 18% rate on government bonds for 30 years. </p>
<p>Rick &#8211; it depends on which historians you read. Many economists believe Reagan benefited the economy tremendously. As to the mess we are in, pray tell me was it Reagan who repealed Glass-Steagall? Was it Reagan who decided to promote home ownership by stimulating borrowing? Was it Reagan who invented mortgage-backed securities, CDOs, or credit default swaps? Was it Reagan who decided to gave home loans to anybody with a pulse who is competent enough to be able to sign at the dotted line? Was it Reagan who exempted 5 major firms from leveraging limits?   </p>
<p>Incidentally, until 1999 most of the US debt was owned by Americans. It&#8217;s only after 1999 long time after Reagan that Americans changed from mostly lenders to mostly borrowers.</p>
<p>Back on topic. I do agree that variable interest loans is not a hedge against inflation as the rates go up with inflation. I do believe that longer term fixed interest loans can be. One thing I think which is missing from the discussion is investment opportunities for the money you have on hand. Higher inflation leads to  higher interest rates including rates banks pay you on your CDs. Let&#8217;s say you have 200K and 200K mortgage at tax deductible 4.5%. At this point banks are only paying 2-3% (on which you have to pay taxes) so you cannot get safe investment with the same return. But what if 2 years from now, you get a Carter-like inflation with a bank CD paying you 13%. If you paid off your mortgage, you now have no cash. If you still have a mortgage, you can put your money in a bank and earn a lot more money than you have to pay. </p>
<p>Imagine locking 9% before Carter, then investing your money in some municipal bonds paying you 18% or more. You could just take some of this income and pay your mortgage with it.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/03/30/inflation-and-consumer-debt-truth-and-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Rick, we&#039;ll have to wait and see. Your new boy here is making such a mess that Carter will look like an economics sophmore. Let&#039;s wait and see what spending like a drunk sailor, high inflation and high interest rates will do for the future of the country.

ps- Who would have thought the leaders of France, Germany and other Europeans would be telling an American President not to spend like water?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Rick, we&#8217;ll have to wait and see. Your new boy here is making such a mess that Carter will look like an economics sophmore. Let&#8217;s wait and see what spending like a drunk sailor, high inflation and high interest rates will do for the future of the country.</p>
<p>ps- Who would have thought the leaders of France, Germany and other Europeans would be telling an American President not to spend like water?!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Beagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Beagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is terribly off topic, and I realize that I started it.  So let this be my last posting on the subject; feel free to post your response.

No, double digits interest rates were not a good thing, however the solutions provided by Reagan did far more long term damage than the short term discomfort we were suffering under.

Please note, I am terribly biased.  IMHO anyone who uses his political power to keep hostages held in Iran until minutes after his inauguration is inherently evil and corrupt.  You and your family might have done well, but look at where we are now.  And yes, he was the devil that set us up for this fine fall.

As for &quot;evidence&quot;, do a freaking google.  Heck, even historians credit his social and economic policies as doing more harm for the long term of this country than perhaps any president in history.  Of course, that was before the second Bush....

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terribly off topic, and I realize that I started it.  So let this be my last posting on the subject; feel free to post your response.</p>
<p>No, double digits interest rates were not a good thing, however the solutions provided by Reagan did far more long term damage than the short term discomfort we were suffering under.</p>
<p>Please note, I am terribly biased.  IMHO anyone who uses his political power to keep hostages held in Iran until minutes after his inauguration is inherently evil and corrupt.  You and your family might have done well, but look at where we are now.  And yes, he was the devil that set us up for this fine fall.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;evidence&#8221;, do a freaking google.  Heck, even historians credit his social and economic policies as doing more harm for the long term of this country than perhaps any president in history.  Of course, that was before the second Bush&#8230;.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you seriously look me in the eye (so to speak) and say double-digit interest rates were a good thing?

Exactly what &quot;evidence&quot; is there?!

Me and my family did a heck of a lot better under Reagan then under Carter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you seriously look me in the eye (so to speak) and say double-digit interest rates were a good thing?</p>
<p>Exactly what &#8220;evidence&#8221; is there?!</p>
<p>Me and my family did a heck of a lot better under Reagan then under Carter!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Beagle</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/03/30/inflation-and-consumer-debt-truth-and-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-3395</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Beagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Carter may have sucked, but he had it right.  Too bad we all fell in love with the smooth talking man from California, because life sure as heck would be a lot better now.

Consider the later years:
1)  I don&#039;t recall.....
vs.
2)  Here is your (insert prestigious award here) Mr. Carter.

Funny how the right still think he had it wrong, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Carter may have sucked, but he had it right.  Too bad we all fell in love with the smooth talking man from California, because life sure as heck would be a lot better now.</p>
<p>Consider the later years:<br />
1)  I don&#8217;t recall&#8230;..<br />
vs.<br />
2)  Here is your (insert prestigious award here) Mr. Carter.</p>
<p>Funny how the right still think he had it wrong, despite all evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/03/30/inflation-and-consumer-debt-truth-and-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-3391</link>
		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you.

But don&#039;t under estimate the myth coming out of DC these days of needing to put inflation on the back burner to get the economy going. Fears of inflation will derail any recovery because the markets and business know the only cure for inflation is a rise in interest rates.

Wait until we have those lovely double-digit interest rates like in the Carter years. Funny how things come around again.

Buy gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t under estimate the myth coming out of DC these days of needing to put inflation on the back burner to get the economy going. Fears of inflation will derail any recovery because the markets and business know the only cure for inflation is a rise in interest rates.</p>
<p>Wait until we have those lovely double-digit interest rates like in the Carter years. Funny how things come around again.</p>
<p>Buy gold.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the debt only works if it holds value.

If my debt is a mortgage vs. a renter...
Or if my debt is a car instead of renting/leasing...

TMN:  your comment about increasing productivity is kind of interesting, it was an idea i was tossing around; as you improve your job spending must increase.  fun stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the debt only works if it holds value.</p>
<p>If my debt is a mortgage vs. a renter&#8230;<br />
Or if my debt is a car instead of renting/leasing&#8230;</p>
<p>TMN:  your comment about increasing productivity is kind of interesting, it was an idea i was tossing around; as you improve your job spending must increase.  fun stuff&#8230;</p>
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