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	<title>Comments on: Is Our Economy on an Unstoppable Demographic Slide?</title>
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		<title>By: Fabulously Broke</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2009/01/25/is-our-economy-on-an-unstoppable-demographic-slide/comment-page-1/#comment-2419</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabulously Broke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://fabulouslybrokeinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/01/review-game-over-leeb-and-thoughts-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;talked a bit about why I think gold is not the be-all and end-all investment&lt;/a&gt;, and why people shouldn&#039;t throw their money into it thinking it&#039;s &#039;safe&#039;. 

I think this demographic slide theory is interesting, but here&#039;s to hoping it&#039;s just history that won&#039;t repeat itself.

I&#039;m now interested in learning more about it. Thanks!

For me, I think it&#039;s just because we&#039;ve reached the pinnacle of what we can handle. It&#039;s been too long with the U.S. having a declining population (baby boomers now nearing retirement age and we&#039;re having less and less children), and each person overspending more than they could afford with the usage of credit and mortgage refinancing.

If you look at Europe as an example of where the U.S. would be, had we not introduced easy forms of credit into an economy, we could start to see other factors that play into why we&#039;re in such a bind right now. (In Europe, no one has a credit card, they all cook at home, they don&#039;t go out often, they don&#039;t over spend because they can&#039;t.)

I think it&#039;s just the country trying to re-adjust itself out to deal with its new reality (not over spending on credit, saving more, having less children, boomers retiring and spending less), but it&#039;ll take a while before it stabilizes to a more realistic economy.

We were living on a cloud before, and now we&#039;re coming back down to Earth.

Great blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve <a href="http://fabulouslybrokeinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/01/review-game-over-leeb-and-thoughts-on.html" rel="nofollow">talked a bit about why I think gold is not the be-all and end-all investment</a>, and why people shouldn&#8217;t throw their money into it thinking it&#8217;s &#8216;safe&#8217;. </p>
<p>I think this demographic slide theory is interesting, but here&#8217;s to hoping it&#8217;s just history that won&#8217;t repeat itself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now interested in learning more about it. Thanks!</p>
<p>For me, I think it&#8217;s just because we&#8217;ve reached the pinnacle of what we can handle. It&#8217;s been too long with the U.S. having a declining population (baby boomers now nearing retirement age and we&#8217;re having less and less children), and each person overspending more than they could afford with the usage of credit and mortgage refinancing.</p>
<p>If you look at Europe as an example of where the U.S. would be, had we not introduced easy forms of credit into an economy, we could start to see other factors that play into why we&#8217;re in such a bind right now. (In Europe, no one has a credit card, they all cook at home, they don&#8217;t go out often, they don&#8217;t over spend because they can&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just the country trying to re-adjust itself out to deal with its new reality (not over spending on credit, saving more, having less children, boomers retiring and spending less), but it&#8217;ll take a while before it stabilizes to a more realistic economy.</p>
<p>We were living on a cloud before, and now we&#8217;re coming back down to Earth.</p>
<p>Great blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another reader way down under in Western Australia who enjoys your blog. Approaching the 50 year mark, I also believe there may be a decline in spending and consumption as more and more people realise the striving to get more stuff provides very little lasting satisfaction for all the effort involved. For myself I want to be mortgage free, I have no other debts, and use this freedom to do volunteer work overseas, rather than acquire more debt that has to be paid for, and no freedom to do what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another reader way down under in Western Australia who enjoys your blog. Approaching the 50 year mark, I also believe there may be a decline in spending and consumption as more and more people realise the striving to get more stuff provides very little lasting satisfaction for all the effort involved. For myself I want to be mortgage free, I have no other debts, and use this freedom to do volunteer work overseas, rather than acquire more debt that has to be paid for, and no freedom to do what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 20 years at least I&#039;ve been hearing all sorts of doom and gloom about the aging baby boomers and how that will ruin the economy and country.

While I understand your point, this is nothing new. It&#039;s all been said before.

ps- Why doesn&#039;t someone do an article about my CRUSHING tax burden?? Between my Federal, State, SS, and Medicare tax I loose 37% of my pay before I even see it. With what is left I have to pay sales tax, use tax, excise tax, import tax, disposal tax, port tax, access tax, toll tax, energy tax, waste tax, licenses/permits/registrations, and STILL somehow find the money for food, shelter, savings(LOL!) and more.

I need a printing press...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 20 years at least I&#8217;ve been hearing all sorts of doom and gloom about the aging baby boomers and how that will ruin the economy and country.</p>
<p>While I understand your point, this is nothing new. It&#8217;s all been said before.</p>
<p>ps- Why doesn&#8217;t someone do an article about my CRUSHING tax burden?? Between my Federal, State, SS, and Medicare tax I loose 37% of my pay before I even see it. With what is left I have to pay sales tax, use tax, excise tax, import tax, disposal tax, port tax, access tax, toll tax, energy tax, waste tax, licenses/permits/registrations, and STILL somehow find the money for food, shelter, savings(LOL!) and more.</p>
<p>I need a printing press&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting. One thing that I question though is that the article seems to imply that it is baby boomers who are more likely to overspend than the next generation. But is this really the truth? If the amount of credit card debt increased in the last decade, were it the baby boomers who are responsible or the younger crowd? 

@TMN - I think immigrants for the most part are more careful with money than native-born Americans. It&#039;s purely anecdotal: based on the fact that I am an immigrant and judge by my circle of friends. At least some things - like eating out all the time - look more like an American habit. In many other countries including the one I grew up in eating out is a special occasion and cooking or taking a lunch from home is more of a norm. It&#039;d be interesting if someone collected the statistics on spending habits of immigrants vs those born in the US.

@Mr ToughMoneyLove - thanks for the link to the very informative post on gold. A couple of my friends who have been right in the past (e.g. sold stocks in 2001 and 2006) are fond of gold; another friend who also has been successful bought coins in the 90s but it considering selling now). I am reluctant to buy gold at these levels especially since I just don&#039;t see how is anything other than perception of its being valuable is driving its price. I do have a tiny (really - only 2K) amount in GLD, although I did transferred some of my 401K in commodities fund in November and am buying more. I just don&#039;t understand the attraction of gold: t&#039;s not like any country is on the gold standard or will use gold standard at any time (and if this were to happen, could there be a confiscation like in 1933?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. One thing that I question though is that the article seems to imply that it is baby boomers who are more likely to overspend than the next generation. But is this really the truth? If the amount of credit card debt increased in the last decade, were it the baby boomers who are responsible or the younger crowd? </p>
<p>@TMN &#8211; I think immigrants for the most part are more careful with money than native-born Americans. It&#8217;s purely anecdotal: based on the fact that I am an immigrant and judge by my circle of friends. At least some things &#8211; like eating out all the time &#8211; look more like an American habit. In many other countries including the one I grew up in eating out is a special occasion and cooking or taking a lunch from home is more of a norm. It&#8217;d be interesting if someone collected the statistics on spending habits of immigrants vs those born in the US.</p>
<p>@Mr ToughMoneyLove &#8211; thanks for the link to the very informative post on gold. A couple of my friends who have been right in the past (e.g. sold stocks in 2001 and 2006) are fond of gold; another friend who also has been successful bought coins in the 90s but it considering selling now). I am reluctant to buy gold at these levels especially since I just don&#8217;t see how is anything other than perception of its being valuable is driving its price. I do have a tiny (really &#8211; only 2K) amount in GLD, although I did transferred some of my 401K in commodities fund in November and am buying more. I just don&#8217;t understand the attraction of gold: t&#8217;s not like any country is on the gold standard or will use gold standard at any time (and if this were to happen, could there be a confiscation like in 1933?).</p>
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		<title>By: Strabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This theory of waves/cycles would make sense if children were only born every 15 years and things would happen to all of them to the same time (all of them having children at the same time and retiring at the same time). But children are born every year - which means that the fabled &quot;baby boomer&quot; are constantly replaced. A small part of them might retire and spend less this, but for them about the same amount of people now spend more because they have kids this year. The same repeats next year and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This theory of waves/cycles would make sense if children were only born every 15 years and things would happen to all of them to the same time (all of them having children at the same time and retiring at the same time). But children are born every year &#8211; which means that the fabled &#8220;baby boomer&#8221; are constantly replaced. A small part of them might retire and spend less this, but for them about the same amount of people now spend more because they have kids this year. The same repeats next year and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RC:  I am still working on a Plan B but it will probably include adding a small position in a gold ETF.

TStrump - Are Dent&#039;s books well written or just interesting in what they say?

TMN:  I think immigration can help with our SS and Medicare problems but I&#039;m not so sure that they will have enough disposable income to compensate for declining spending by boomers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RC:  I am still working on a Plan B but it will probably include adding a small position in a gold ETF.</p>
<p>TStrump &#8211; Are Dent&#8217;s books well written or just interesting in what they say?</p>
<p>TMN:  I think immigration can help with our SS and Medicare problems but I&#8217;m not so sure that they will have enough disposable income to compensate for declining spending by boomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boss:  I am not a huge gold fan (see this earlier post on gold as an inflation  http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/08/19/when-inflation-attacks-gold-is-not-the-defensive-weapon-of-choice/)  However, I do own a commodities fund that has some precious metals in it. It has not done well in the last 8 months.  I am considering taking a small position in GLD which is by far the largest ETF that is 100% backed by gold bullion.  That&#039;s where I would look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boss:  I am not a huge gold fan (see this earlier post on gold as an inflation  <a href="http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/08/19/when-inflation-attacks-gold-is-not-the-defensive-weapon-of-choice/" rel="nofollow">http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/08/19/when-inflation-attacks-gold-is-not-the-defensive-weapon-of-choice/</a>)  However, I do own a commodities fund that has some precious metals in it. It has not done well in the last 8 months.  I am considering taking a small position in GLD which is by far the largest ETF that is 100% backed by gold bullion.  That&#8217;s where I would look.</p>
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