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		<title>By: Peter watking</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/29/looking-for-a-financial-planner-or-advisor-start-here/comment-page-1/#comment-7189</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter watking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>truth is always hard to  digest</description>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/29/looking-for-a-financial-planner-or-advisor-start-here/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TML, 

I guess in the end, I just dislike the blatant and stereotypical attack on the profession.  Not all commission based planners are selling products to those that don&#039;t need it.  It is the same thing when people attack PI attorneys.  

The only profession that we all can attack are those running auto body shops and mechanics LOL! Obviously joking.</description>
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<p>I guess in the end, I just dislike the blatant and stereotypical attack on the profession.  Not all commission based planners are selling products to those that don&#8217;t need it.  It is the same thing when people attack PI attorneys.  </p>
<p>The only profession that we all can attack are those running auto body shops and mechanics LOL! Obviously joking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/29/looking-for-a-financial-planner-or-advisor-start-here/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan:  I understand your point and agree that planners who earn commissions or no direct fee at all are not per se giving bad advice.  On the other hand, if the advice includes buying something that the planner makes a commission on, the consumer has every reason to question the objectivity of the advice.  If the consumer goes in looking for that specific product, fair enough.  As long as the consumer understands that and that he/she has other options, it&#039;s buyer beware.  My point is that if you are looking for a comprehensive financial plan, get it from someone who is 100% objective across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan:  I understand your point and agree that planners who earn commissions or no direct fee at all are not per se giving bad advice.  On the other hand, if the advice includes buying something that the planner makes a commission on, the consumer has every reason to question the objectivity of the advice.  If the consumer goes in looking for that specific product, fair enough.  As long as the consumer understands that and that he/she has other options, it&#8217;s buyer beware.  My point is that if you are looking for a comprehensive financial plan, get it from someone who is 100% objective across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TML we have talked in the past but for the benefit of your readers...I am a director of financial planning at a wealth management firm.  We have both fee and non-fee based planners here.  Our clients range from those just getting out to college all the way there (the highest case I ever worked on was for someone that was worth well into the $30 million range).  

But I digress, our most successful guys say up front something like...&quot;I get paid in 3 ways, fee, product and referrals.&quot; 

This leads to an interesting relationship.  If the person was looking for just an investment product or life insurance product, then the financial planner relationship may not happen but there was still a sale.  THIS IS NOT EVIL, nor is it indicitive of an unscrupolous advisor.  

That being said, our best (multi-generational) relationships occur when there is a fee involved.  It hightens the relationship to a professional one, and takes the question of &quot;how we get paid&quot; out of it.  

While I have rambled on long enough - my main point is that, just because a planner doesn&#039;t take a fee in a certain case does not make the relationship worthless.  In a lot of cases, a fee is unwarranted.  
Example: 30 year old couple each making $80K just need some investment advice and life insurance to protect their new born.  Does this warrant a fee? for a fee&#039;s sake?  I don&#039;t know but if the planner doesn&#039;t choose to utilize one...does not make the relationship inherently bad.  

It becomes inherently bad when you have a few guys out there that shouldn&#039;t be giving anyone advice on anything trying to make a quick buck placing products where products are unnecessary.  I am sure you have to defend attorneys on a daily basis because we aren&#039;t ALL bad people...just the blood sucking PIs, escrow stealing jerks, and/or heartless Defense Insurance bastards (I obviously don&#039;t feel that way...just examples).  


Just a few thoughts from someone that is in the world.  I have a feeling though I am going to get a &quot;matter of fact&quot; TML response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TML we have talked in the past but for the benefit of your readers&#8230;I am a director of financial planning at a wealth management firm.  We have both fee and non-fee based planners here.  Our clients range from those just getting out to college all the way there (the highest case I ever worked on was for someone that was worth well into the $30 million range).  </p>
<p>But I digress, our most successful guys say up front something like&#8230;&#8221;I get paid in 3 ways, fee, product and referrals.&#8221; </p>
<p>This leads to an interesting relationship.  If the person was looking for just an investment product or life insurance product, then the financial planner relationship may not happen but there was still a sale.  THIS IS NOT EVIL, nor is it indicitive of an unscrupolous advisor.  </p>
<p>That being said, our best (multi-generational) relationships occur when there is a fee involved.  It hightens the relationship to a professional one, and takes the question of &#8220;how we get paid&#8221; out of it.  </p>
<p>While I have rambled on long enough &#8211; my main point is that, just because a planner doesn&#8217;t take a fee in a certain case does not make the relationship worthless.  In a lot of cases, a fee is unwarranted.<br />
Example: 30 year old couple each making $80K just need some investment advice and life insurance to protect their new born.  Does this warrant a fee? for a fee&#8217;s sake?  I don&#8217;t know but if the planner doesn&#8217;t choose to utilize one&#8230;does not make the relationship inherently bad.  </p>
<p>It becomes inherently bad when you have a few guys out there that shouldn&#8217;t be giving anyone advice on anything trying to make a quick buck placing products where products are unnecessary.  I am sure you have to defend attorneys on a daily basis because we aren&#8217;t ALL bad people&#8230;just the blood sucking PIs, escrow stealing jerks, and/or heartless Defense Insurance bastards (I obviously don&#8217;t feel that way&#8230;just examples).  </p>
<p>Just a few thoughts from someone that is in the world.  I have a feeling though I am going to get a &#8220;matter of fact&#8221; TML response.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - Thanks for the comment.  I know a lot of non-fee-only planners will take issue with my comments.  I also know that many people object to paying an hourly rate for anything but they need to make an exception in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; Thanks for the comment.  I know a lot of non-fee-only planners will take issue with my comments.  I also know that many people object to paying an hourly rate for anything but they need to make an exception in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt @ Steadfast Finances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt @ Steadfast Finances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably the best article I&#039;ve read on this subject to date.  Very link worthy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the best article I&#8217;ve read on this subject to date.  Very link worthy!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ:  Excellent suggestion about obtaining written assurance that the advisor is acting as a fiduciary.  That creates legal obligations that increases the odds that you will obtain unbiased advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ:  Excellent suggestion about obtaining written assurance that the advisor is acting as a fiduciary.  That creates legal obligations that increases the odds that you will obtain unbiased advice.</p>
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