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	<title>Comments on: Why Your Stock Transactions (and mine) Won&#8217;t Affect the Market</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/03/why-your-stock-transactions-and-mine-wont-affect-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MasterPo - One of my roommates/fraternity brothers at Cornell was from Babylon - Tom Scarpelli.  Went to his wedding near there years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MasterPo &#8211; One of my roommates/fraternity brothers at Cornell was from Babylon &#8211; Tom Scarpelli.  Went to his wedding near there years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,

I understand your point. However, I think more likely retirees will take periodic payments or MRD payments from their qualified plans rather than lump sum distributions. It is the latter that would cause a mass sell off.

ps- I&#039;m on the South shore, Babylon area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>I understand your point. However, I think more likely retirees will take periodic payments or MRD payments from their qualified plans rather than lump sum distributions. It is the latter that would cause a mass sell off.</p>
<p>ps- I&#8217;m on the South shore, Babylon area.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/03/why-your-stock-transactions-and-mine-wont-affect-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan - You are right about boomers being unprepared but we can leave those folks out of the equation because they don&#039;t have any assets to sell anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan &#8211; You are right about boomers being unprepared but we can leave those folks out of the equation because they don&#8217;t have any assets to sell anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://toughmoneylove.com/2008/09/03/why-your-stock-transactions-and-mine-wont-affect-the-market/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro, 

Just checked out your website, where on the Island are you from? I am in North Shore Nassau County (TOBAY area)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro, </p>
<p>Just checked out your website, where on the Island are you from? I am in North Shore Nassau County (TOBAY area)?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TML, 
First and foremost, your readers are great...everytime a discussion comes up there are thought provoking conversations back and forth.  
However, as to your point, I do not think most baby boomers are prepared.  I don&#039;t have the #s in front of me, but is the statistic staggering as to how many are really not prepared.  

MasterPro, 
I actually do not think we are disagreeing, per se, but rather not discussing the same point.  As I interpreted it, the issue is whether or not there will be a large dip (due primarily to sell off) when baby boomers retire and need funds. 

&quot;Shareholders in non-retirement accounts can (and do) sell all the time. The fund has to keep a bit of cash on hand to handle this. But there’s no way for them to forecast how much free cash they will need.&quot;
This is exactly my point.  If XYZ mutual fund finds out that within 1 week they need to liquidate 20,000 shareholders, they WILL NOT have the cash to do so...as such, they will likely start selling off large blocks of assets.  

While you may be correct as to people&#039;s liquidation preference, I truly believe there are tons of baby boomers (maybe not readers/followers of TML! lol) out there with zero non-qualified savings and tons of Qualified (i.e. 401(k), IRA, SEPs, 403(b), etc.) Dollars as such, they are unlikely to have a choice as to what to liquidate. 

Just some thoughts,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TML,<br />
First and foremost, your readers are great&#8230;everytime a discussion comes up there are thought provoking conversations back and forth.<br />
However, as to your point, I do not think most baby boomers are prepared.  I don&#8217;t have the #s in front of me, but is the statistic staggering as to how many are really not prepared.  </p>
<p>MasterPro,<br />
I actually do not think we are disagreeing, per se, but rather not discussing the same point.  As I interpreted it, the issue is whether or not there will be a large dip (due primarily to sell off) when baby boomers retire and need funds. </p>
<p>&#8220;Shareholders in non-retirement accounts can (and do) sell all the time. The fund has to keep a bit of cash on hand to handle this. But there’s no way for them to forecast how much free cash they will need.&#8221;<br />
This is exactly my point.  If XYZ mutual fund finds out that within 1 week they need to liquidate 20,000 shareholders, they WILL NOT have the cash to do so&#8230;as such, they will likely start selling off large blocks of assets.  </p>
<p>While you may be correct as to people&#8217;s liquidation preference, I truly believe there are tons of baby boomers (maybe not readers/followers of TML! lol) out there with zero non-qualified savings and tons of Qualified (i.e. 401(k), IRA, SEPs, 403(b), etc.) Dollars as such, they are unlikely to have a choice as to what to liquidate. </p>
<p>Just some thoughts,</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,

That&#039;s still an inaccurate picture.

First, mutual funds have non-retirement accounts as well as retirement accounts. Shareholders in non-retirement accounts can (and do) sell all the time. The fund has to keep a bit of cash on hand to handle this. But there&#039;s no way for them to forecast how much free cash they will need.

Second, presuming traditional IRAs, people can&#039;t just sell everything on the first day of retirement. They will draw down slowly over their retirement life time. At least the required MRD amount. Even with a Roth IRA people still won&#039;t liquidate on day-1.

Third, I know from personal experience an IRA does NOT work like a regular non-retirment account. You can&#039;t just call up and pull out X-dollars anytime you want. Yea, that was BIG surprise to me too!!

Finally, even though boomers will be selling those that follow like me and you will be buying in via 401ks and IRAs. At a minimum that will cushion the liquidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s still an inaccurate picture.</p>
<p>First, mutual funds have non-retirement accounts as well as retirement accounts. Shareholders in non-retirement accounts can (and do) sell all the time. The fund has to keep a bit of cash on hand to handle this. But there&#8217;s no way for them to forecast how much free cash they will need.</p>
<p>Second, presuming traditional IRAs, people can&#8217;t just sell everything on the first day of retirement. They will draw down slowly over their retirement life time. At least the required MRD amount. Even with a Roth IRA people still won&#8217;t liquidate on day-1.</p>
<p>Third, I know from personal experience an IRA does NOT work like a regular non-retirment account. You can&#8217;t just call up and pull out X-dollars anytime you want. Yea, that was BIG surprise to me too!!</p>
<p>Finally, even though boomers will be selling those that follow like me and you will be buying in via 401ks and IRAs. At a minimum that will cushion the liquidation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. ToughMoneyLove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. ToughMoneyLove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the mutual funds but I hope and assume that baby boomers have set up a proper asset allocation and withdrawal plan that will not require massive sell-offs.  That&#039;s one of the benefits of target retirement date funds - everything is done on a defined schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the mutual funds but I hope and assume that baby boomers have set up a proper asset allocation and withdrawal plan that will not require massive sell-offs.  That&#8217;s one of the benefits of target retirement date funds &#8211; everything is done on a defined schedule.</p>
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